Has any SF/F author really done an adequate job in inventing a realistic alien world (society)? Of course there are the blatant substitutions (well, they have 3 sexes! well, they have this sixth sense! well, you start out old and grow young! well, etc.), and copies (Western in Space! Detective story in Space! Kid and her Pet in Space!), but who has really invented a setting totally alien to what we've experienced? CAN anyone, once they've learned how to pigeonhole the world enough to be considered an adult? I had a discussion with someone once about whether anyone could be truly creative. Like, could you think of a truly original animal, rather than a combination of existing ones or at least their characteristics. The poor guy spent the next hour trying to think of something that wasn't a variation on something else, without realizing that if he thought of it, he'd have to describe it in terms of existing things (well, it's sort of liek feathers, but different). I have no idea what any of this means. Has this topic been done to death? PO that it hasn't: I've been told (though I don't know from real experience) that the Kif in C.J.Cherryh's Chanur series are about as alien a race as exists in sf. On the other hand, I think the person who said that was the ANALOG book reviewer, who I trust very little. Hmm. The only way I could think of to do a totally alien psychology (which to me is far more interesting than an alien physiology -- for that, try Jack Chalker's Well of Souls books; there's a race that looks like stripes of color moving through the "air" (which is non-oxynitrogen based) and are almost too alien to communicate with) was to make actions apparently random. ie, this race's psychology is so alien to ours that we simply can't comprehend their motives for anything. This might make a rather dull story (though it was used effectively in the comic book MOONSHADOW -- the Gl'Doses are pretty alien). One argument might be that any race close enough to us to communicate with at all must have some similar features. Another step might be to say that they'd have to be Carbon-based life, or humanoid, or evolved under similar conditions (which brings up the question of what other planets might be like, whether life can even evolve on non-earthlike planets, what life that evolved in space might be like, whether there ARE any non-earthlike planets, whether there are any other planets, period (it's a mighty big cosmos, though), and so on). Another sample from comics: an Alan Moore story in SWAMP THING about machine-based life that lives solely in space. Of course, in a lot of ways it was pretty humanesque. And of course, there're those who say that alien anything, meaning anything inconceivable to the human mind, is (by tautology) inconceivable to the human mind, and that therefore we shouldn't even bother to try to think of truly alien races/thoughts/communication modes. Since that point of view makes speculation pretty pointless, I try to avoid it even though I think it's a good point. I thought Piers Anthony's methods of communication throughout the CLUSTER series were prety good, and the alien races pretty alien (but only in physical appearance; definitely not in psychology). To attempt to answer one point brought up above: I think it IS possible to describe something in human terms simply because that's the only analogy we have, without it actually BEING in human terms (well, there're these things that are like wings, see, but they're not REALLY like wings, but that's the closest we can get to describing them). In this way, it's possible to come up with things totally unlike things we already know (how about the computer as an example? That was a pretty alien concept: describe it as "well, it can sort of do arithmetic. Well, no, it's not intelligent, and it's not alive, but it can do arithmetic anyway. How? Well, it's like one of those mechanical engines."). My argument has totally derailed by now; please excuse the long-windedness. Someone else's turn.